Mac mini & macOS Mojave 10.14

I have a little question

I currently have Panorama Version 6.0.0 running on macOS Sierra.
Can it be installed on a Mac mini (Macmini7,1 A1347) from 2014 to 2018 with macOS Mojave 10.14 ?

Thank you very much in advance

With significant difficulty.

Just keep in mind that Panorama 6 is past its expiration date, and you should convert to Panorama X as quickly as you can. Much of the conversion will be simple, but some things may not work without a lot of rewriting.

What difficulties are you talking about exactly?

My version 6.0.0 has no expiration date, it is a Permanent version!
And even if I switch to Panorama X on my new Mac mini M4.
I would like to keep my Panorama 6 version on another Mac on Intel.

My question remains…

By “expiration date”, Bruce was referring to the fact that Panorama 6 is quite obsolete.

The latest I ever got it to run on was High Sierra and that was an undertaking to say the least. If you’re ot willing to make the switch to the much more advanced Panorama X, then you should plan to keep it running on an old Mac with Sierra.

There is very likely to be a day though, when events on your end make it necessary to reinstall it, or re-enter registration info. Don’t be surprised if your computer is unable to get the registration verified via the ProVUE server. Registrations for Panorama 6 are handled by a very old machine and one day it will not be there. It’s impressive that ProVUE has kept that much support for 6 going this long. Most, if not all, other software companies would have shut it down years ago.

Thank you for your detailed response, it is appreciated.

I intend to install and test Panorama X, on my new Mac mini M4 with Sequoia 15.2 besides
I have no choice. :wink:

At the same time, I’m keeping my 27-inch iMac from 2017 with macOS Sierra 10.12.6, which works very well.

But I plan to transfer my iMac to a Macmini7.1 or Macmini8.1

If I understand correctly it is more difficult to make Panorama version 6 work with High Sierra 10.13 or Mojave 10.4 (for what reason?)
Is it better to stay with Sierra 10.12!?

  • I also have Panorama V on my 2002 Mac G4 with Mac OS X version 10.4
    As well as Panorama II version 2.1.2 from 1991 on my 1989 Mac SE30
    Both versions (II and V) still work very well on their respective computers. :+1:t3:

Maoby,

I’m somewhat in your situation. I have Pan6 on an Intel mini, running HIghSierra OS. I could protect that till the cows come home so the hardware/software is not the problem.

The problem is, when you start Panorama 6, it “talks” to a server back in ProVUE land. And no matter how well your hardware/OS/Pan6 play together, that Pan6 server will - maybe sooner than later - no longer be available.

It happens. Just the other day, I tried to access the library video streaming app, “Hoopla”, on my iPad Mini 4 (which can only run iOS 15.x). After a month or two of warnings to update my iOS - which I can’t do on the iPad Mini 4 (remember, iPad mini 4, not Mac Mini 4 :grinning:) - Hoopla finally no longer launches. Or rather it launches with a full-screen notice that it will no longer run with the 15.x iOS.

So, it’s best to start your conversions as soon as possible. At a minimum, you can export your data to .txt files to import into a PanX datasheet view and proceed with your conversion.

There are many posts on this forum that cover that conversion process. Sometimes it can be automatic.

Pan 6 runs fine on Mojave. I am still in the process of converting some clients to Pan X so I need to run Pan 6 almost daily. I have had Mojave installed on both an I7, 2012 Mini and an I3 2018 Mini with no problems.

Thank you very much, very interesting information. :+1:t3:

There are special instructions for installing Panorama 6 on Sierra or Mojave. I think this is what some of the posters above mean by “tricky.” You can find the detailed instructions on this page.

I also have Panorama V on my 2002 Mac G4 with Mac OS X version 10.4
As well as Panorama II version 2.1.2 from 1991 on my 1989 Mac SE30
Both versions (II and V) still work very well on their respective computers.

Keep in mind that Panorama X will not open files saved in Panorama 5.5 or earlier, only files saved in Panorama 6.

:100:

It’s not just that this machine is old. This is the main computer for provue.com, so it is currently not possible to use really modern software on provue.com. It’s not possible to run part of the server on old software and part of it on new software, it’s all or nothing. At some point, one of the other critical software packages we use on the server will likely drop support for Mojave. At that point we’ll have no choice but to start using a more modern version of macOS on the server, which means the old Panorama 6 based registration serial number/activation database would no longer work.

Thanks

I haven’t used Panorama 5.5 for a long time, nor version II either :blush:
I’m simply a compulsive collector :joy: EX: I have over 1,200 cameras and several thousand in my Panorama database.

I’ll be downloading the trial version of Panorama X in a few days or weeks.
I’m currently busy getting up to speed with macOS Sequoia, Lightroom, and Photoshop! etc (2024-2025)
I have several years of catching up to do :fearful:

Thank you, and I look forward to using Panorama for many years to come.

Maoby,
One perspective to consider … usually when there’s a software update, it’s just an extension of what you already know, plus new features. If you take that viewpoint with PanX, you may feel frustrated more often than not.

For me, it was best to consider PanX a completely different program (which it is). Though others have made headway using the AutoConvert features and then changing what wouldn’t run in PanX, I’d export my data, then import it to PanX into the DataSheet View, and start from there.

It’s easier than you might think because originally, you had to figure out the design of forms and what you wanted procedures to do. Now, you already know that. And, with Cut and Paste, you can run a lot of those things as they are. It’s just that, if you can’t, you need to do some research—and know what keywords to search on—to find the PanX way.

Note that just because you can’t do something “the same way” in PanX as you did in Pan6, that doesn’t mean you will suffer. You may be pleasantly surprised. For example, I had the task of filling in a field in DB-B from data in DB-A. Using a Pan6 technique, I used the Lookup and looping (or formulafill) to bring the data over. The record count was in the 10’s of thousands (maybe more). This took HOURS. And I had to break the databases into pieces, doing a subset of records at a time. Then I followed Jim’s advice and used the Join command. It took SECONDS to do the same job, and for all records at once.

So it’s well worth it to embrace PanX’s new techniques.

One other thing, you might have come across reading posts, is that PanX is written in full compliance with Apple’s routines. So somethings can’t be done “the old way” because Apple’s routines don’t allow it.

In the words of that great philosopher, Walter Cronkite, “And that’s the way it is.”