Is there a threshold of server usage below which a user is not charged for a user-month?
I’ve been looking for the details of how all usage is calculated. I know I’ve seen it but now I can’t find it. For instance, a computer with Panorama launched, but not being actively used doesn’t count. How about a shared connection where the session is open but the client is inactive. It’s not uncommon to see workers go home at night and leave connected files open.
Or, when someone with their own license connects with a shared database on someone else’s server account…like me to a client’s server…I’m guessing that each account gets charged for one user.
Thank you, Tom and James, for asking these clarifying questions. I am just now beginning to use Panorama and Server in my small business. I had also hoped to put all my databases online so my staff of 7 could access them from anywhere. For a small enterprise, this may get to be expensive, and when Jim answers your questions (questions I don’t have enough experience to know to ask), I will be the beneficiary of your asking. So, thank you, both! Standing by. . .
I use a desktop computer most of the time, but also a laptop when I am working in a different room. Will I be charged for two user-months in this situation?
As you read these answers, please keep in mind that most other server software is charged by the seat, and you pay for each seat whether they are used or not. Panorama X Server only charges for seats that are actually used – and the per seat charge is less than any other multi-user solution I am aware of.
For the server, usage is counted differently than for the single user version of Panorama. Basically usage is counted by computer, not by user. So if two different computers connect to the server, they will both be counted even if they are never used at the same time.
Panorama X Server is for business use, not personal. I don’t know of any other multi-user software that doesn’t charge for each computer used, i.e. a “seat”. Perhaps the terminology used for reporting shared use should changed to “seats in use” rather than “shared users”. I’m going to give serious consideration to changing the Site License and the monthly statements to use the term seat instead of user (shared), it’s more descriptive of how it works.
There is no minimum threshold. The server keeps a list of all of the computers that have connected to it by opening a shared database (activity like using the Server Administration window does not count as usage). If a computer has opened any shared database on that server during the month, that computer is counted as a shared user.
That’s fine – usage is billed by the month, not the hour or the minute. There won’t be a higher charge because connected files are left open. If a “seat” has any usage during the month there will be a charge for that seat, the charge is the same whether it was used for 1 minute or 700 hours.
In this situation, the account the server is logged in as will be charged for 1 seat (i.e. 2 months). The charge for shared use is counted on the server, and the server does not care what account the client is using.
Your account will also be charged for 1 single user month. If you are doing ALL of your work for the company that owns the server then you should use their account for all of your work, which would save this charge. But presumably you are using your own account because you are also doing work on other projects, so you will be billed for single user use as normal.
Yes, that is two seats.
If you are comparing to single user software, of course it will be more expensive. But if you are comparing to other multi-user database systems I think Panorama is still a bargain.
Remember that Panorama 6 Server pricing ran up to several thousand dollars paid up front. Panorama X doesn’t have that up front cost (other than the training class) but we are running a business. The server software took thousands of hours to develop, ProVUE can’t give away that investment for a song, at least not if we hope to stay in business and keep supporting all of you for years to come.
So, if I log off of my Pan X copy then log back in with my client’s credentials, connect to their server, do some work, then log off again and log back in with my credentials, I could avoid the extra monthly charges for working on their systems, correct?
There are no extra monthly charges for you to work connected to someone else’s server. From a cost perspective, there is no reason to switch accounts like that.
with my credentials
If you do any work when logged in with your credentials, you’ll be charged the normal monthly fee. You won’t be charged more for spending some of that time working on a database that is connected to someone else’s server.
I have the server on a stand alone computer, which has PanX running PanX also and used from time to time. Will I be charged for a user for the server machine?
By standalone machine I guess you mean the user is on the same computer as the server? And no other users ever connect to it? That would be charged as one seat in any month were it was used.
If I understand this then… On my separately paid license, if I connect to a client’s server via my desktop computer, then at another time connect with my laptop, their account is charged for 4 months.
My question was not clear. I meant to refer to a dedicated server. Nobody uses the server machine itself except to maintain or manage the server software.
In that case, suppose someone uses PanX on the server to restart the server or update to a new release or troubleshoot a problem. Will the account be charged for two user-months for that activity?
Their account will be charged for 2 seats, which is the same as 4 “regular” months. So yes, you understand.
If you open a shared database on that computer then it will be counted as a seat (2 user months). If you don’t open a shared database, it won’t count as a seat, but it might count as a single user depending on how much you do and whether any other users were active at the same time.
I am hoping that something is incorrect. My usage has gone from 2 months deducted against my account in June 2022 to just now 13 months debited against my account in Dec 2022!! I do not believe I have any new computers using Panorama.
The July statement is the most recent Monthly Usage Statement that I can find and it listed each computer with the number of Hours that each computer used. The December Monthly Statement now does not show that. It only displays the number of ‘months’ being charged against that computer rather than an indication of how many hours it was using the server. (Regardless of whether a months charge happens with 2 mins of usage or 30 hours of usage, the amount of hours that a computer is using the server is a very big part of managing our use.) Please give us this necessary information that is causing our charges to jump by 700%.
The email states that we can check our usage by checking the Site License window but that is not working for me. When viewing the Site License window, the Recent Activity is not correctly sorting by date. There is no ‘Usage’ numbers appearing.
In my viewing of the old Monthly statement vs the new Monthly statement, the old version is much more assistful in understanding what is happening. The new version lacks this meaningful information.
Until the last month, there was no billing for use of Panorama Server. You’ve just received your first statement that includes this billing. The new pricing is explained in the top post of this thread, please review that information.
In the past month, you had 6 computers that connected to Panorama Server. Your account is debited two months for each computer connected to a server (called a seat). So that’s twelve months right there.
You also used one other computer that didn’t connect to the server. So that’s where the 13th month came from.
Note: I reviewed your past usage, you’ve been using 6 seats on the server for the last 3 months, and 5 seats before that starting in February 2022. But until now, that wasn’t being billed.
The reason for the jump is because until now the use of the server was free.
the amount of hours that a computer is using the server is a very big part of managing our use
I don’t understand this statement. It doesn’t matter how many hours a computer uses, Panorama doesn’t bill by the hour or minute.
Don’t know why you aren’t seeing that. If you go to the History>Usage panel, you’ll see a list of monthly statements, with the most recent on the top. When you click on a statement, it shows the detail for that particular statement in the lower section of the panel.
The new monthly statement no longer includes the hourly usage for each computer. Some users found this hourly usage numbers confusing, they thought it meant that Panorama was billed by the hour. So this information was removed since it really had nothing to do with the actual billing. But it can still be accessed in the Site License window.
It is the shock of going from $10@mo to $130@mo. The way the server is being used just does not justify that cost. That is $1,560 @yr. That is not what I planned for and can not justify. The activity level for the last month was also 10-20% less than any of the previous 9 months.
5 years ago I purchased the server w web integration but that web part still is not documented. If I had known the the web part was not going to be documented 5 years hence, I would not have done that as I’ve yet to be able to make use of it.
No, it’s $65/month, which for 6 seats is significantly more affordable than any competitive product that I am aware of.
If you purchased a server 5 years ago, it had to be Panorama 6 Server.
Two years ago the Deploying Shared Databases course was announced. Is this what you are referring to? This was not advertised as including web integration. However, coding for Panorama X web publishing is almost 100% identical with Panorama 6 Server.
I can vouch for that. I’ve spent months building a couple of PanX web sites with what I already knew as far as the web coding goes.
A question about multiple server pricing came up in a private email that I think might be of interest to a wider audience. There is actually no additional charge for running more than one sharing server on an account – as long as the same clients are involved. Panorama doesn’t keep track of how many servers are running, only how many client seats are used. A client that connects to multiple servers associated with the same account is not counted multiple times.
For example, suppose a company has a production server with 12 sharing users. In addition, they also have a development server with only two users, let’s say Bob and Jeff. Assuming that Bob and Jeff are included in the 12 users of the production server, the overall charge will be for 12 seats, not for 14 seats. (I’m saying Bob and Jeff but actually users aren’t tracked, only computers. So when I say “12 sharing users” on the production server, I really mean 12 computers have connected to the server.)
For web publishing the usage is cumulative – all of the server traffic for all servers associated with the account will be added up. Of course in the scenario above, the development server probably won’t have much traffic, so it won’t add much.
So if you want to spin up an additional server, either temporarily or even permanently, that doesn’t mean that you’re going to double the costs, unless the different servers are used by different client computers. In fact, in most situations there would be no additional cost at all.